tema ([info]tema) wrote in [info]optimus_project,
2006-11-27 17:34:00
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Optimus-103 Displays

At the moment we're concidering to use FSTN displays with a polarizer in Optimus' keys. But it is possible that we may use some new OLEDs we're learned about recently.

Optimus-103 will use black and white displays (B&W is perfect for 95% of all tasks a keyboard requires). Color will come later at a greater price.

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[info]fazeout

November 27 2006, 14:37:27 UTC 5 years ago

black and white?
I've been skeptical of the changes up to this point....and viewed them all in a "necessary for mass production/sale" light.
.....but lack of color is a definite deal breaker.
I hope the color version comes soon.

[info]visgoth

November 27 2006, 14:37:46 UTC 5 years ago

Optimus-103 will use black and white displays

I'm out.

Anonymous

November 27 2006, 14:47:34 UTC 5 years ago

+1

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[info]himself_v

November 27 2006, 14:41:13 UTC 5 years ago

Guess they're going to release it at the Fools Day.

[info]jaf_alsan

November 27 2006, 14:45:56 UTC 5 years ago

Hum..

Well, I will actually never be able to buy me an optimus because of the price, but it's very disappointing to see, that most of the old concepts are discarded..

For example these to pics:

http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/qua.jpg
http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/keyb_002.jpg

Not possible anymore.

But hey, when you bring out one version after the other with more functionality each time, it's okay I think.

[info]wtfunkymonkey

November 27 2006, 15:01:43 UTC 5 years ago

Re: Hum..

It's still possible, sorta.

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Anonymous

November 27 2006, 14:54:40 UTC 5 years ago

Ok, I'll wait for the REAL optimus. With extra keys, colour oleds etc.
I'm not going to spend money for this...

[info]abtools

November 27 2006, 15:05:40 UTC 5 years ago

Exactly: me, too!

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[info]wtfunkymonkey

November 27 2006, 15:12:51 UTC 5 years ago

I'm telling you right now that if you go with an STN display you will lose a lot of customers. Nobody is interested in a plain monochrome display.
Sure it would work, for the most part, with the basic lettering but that is *not* what the majority of people are interested in.
Sure, I see the argument that you go low feature with something like this at first and project yourselves with the early adopter crowd, but the comparison between what was initially designed and what is being delivered is beyond anything that is reasonable. You've taken away too many things, too many features, and too many selling points.
When I saw the first mock-ups of the Optimus keyboard I was excited and ready to spend several hundred dollars on this keyboard. But now I am just disappointed.
More and more the Optimus is becoming vaporware. I'm not holding out any hope for this being developed in the near future, perhaps it's just not technologically feasible right now, and you guys were just a little too optimistic.

[info]nuns_islander

November 27 2006, 15:25:52 UTC 5 years ago

Don't be so sure. What's good in seeing the alphabet in 65536 colors?
What is more important that you have any keyboard layout just by selecting it in the Language bar (let's hope, they will implement it by default).

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[info]nuns_islander

November 27 2006, 15:16:44 UTC 5 years ago

B&W

Very functional. Ideally, you need a technology similar to what is used in the timetable board on a railway station: a matrix of pixels, each of them with two states - black and yellow. Once information changes, you inverse the pixel.

[info]netphreak

November 27 2006, 15:26:35 UTC 5 years ago

Unless it's now under $150 USD, you've lost another customer...

[info]boggyb

November 27 2006, 15:31:28 UTC 5 years ago

Black-and-white, or greyscale?

[info]wtfunkymonkey

November 27 2006, 15:32:34 UTC 5 years ago

So, tell me if you do decide to go with monochrome displays how would the Optimus distinguish itself as anything better or different than the 205PRO?

Anonymous

November 27 2006, 17:04:22 UTC 5 years ago

well...

the 205PRO is still $200/$300
I hope Optimus B&W is less

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Anonymous

November 27 2006, 15:32:58 UTC 5 years ago

I'm out too.

All the recent announcements of "down-grades" hurt me just a little bit. But this one really goes too far for my taste.

I won't buy it.

Rince

[info]reaverbob

November 27 2006, 15:42:22 UTC 5 years ago

I'm afraid I'm with the abandonees.

I'm not interested in an Optimus 103, I'm interested in the original Optimus 113 that was pitched.

I was really looking forward to using it on WoW.

Anyway, I think you may hit a problem, the market for a product that is likely to be this expensive are people who w ant geek toys, atleast thats the public market. The geek toy market wanted the original, not the watered down version. Even if its done to save on the price, I think your underestimate the willingness of your market to pay. People would have bought the 113. While yes, you are right 95% of things just need B&W, guess what, 100% of tasks can be done as is with a normal keyboard.

Anyway, with that said. I'm out! I hope you make enough money to get the real Optimus out.

[info]partywhipple

November 27 2006, 15:49:29 UTC 5 years ago

guess what, 100% of tasks can be done as is with a normal keyboard.

Exactly! I'm sorry but I seriously doubt ANYONE is going to buy your product for true utilitarian purposes. I would have bought it because it sounds really cool. My computer works just fine right now and I don't even have one of the funky ergonomic keyboards everyone says you need. Why would I buy some super expensive one that isn't all neat and flashy? Good luck with your sales but I think you are being foolish.

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Anonymous

November 27 2006, 15:47:39 UTC 5 years ago

Excellent. Such a major downgrade reassures me that something much closer to the original concept will appear at some point. I hope whatever market this version is intended to appeal to laps it up, anyway.

[info]f1ame

November 27 2006, 15:49:19 UTC 5 years ago

What's next? No LCD displays, just keys with a backlight?
Oh c'mon, the product gets just more and more crappy.
I'm out.

[info]neojng

November 27 2006, 15:53:14 UTC 5 years ago

i'm just waiting for them to tell me it's gonna be soft key :|

[info]w1841d3

November 27 2006, 15:56:34 UTC 5 years ago

I, myself, will wait, if the price drops below 30$ then it'll be a fair deal.

[info]lethal_lestat

November 27 2006, 23:34:43 UTC 5 years ago

In the technological sense of things, waiting for this to be less than 30 bucks is irrational. If this is an attempt at a sarcastic comment/statement, I suggest reframe.

If they were to drop the price that low, then obviously the functionality will have to come down as well, along with what they are willing to pay for materials. You're hands may be so old by the time this keyboard (or it's progeny) is under $30, it may be more sensible to use your mind to control what's on screen.

Anonymous

November 27 2006, 16:12:23 UTC 5 years ago

Ready for Pre-Order?

I feel really bad about some of the replies to your posts here and consider them very rude. It is a good idea to first release a "smaller" version of the keyboard to get experience so the "full" version will be even better.

However, this post really makes me wonder: You are still "considering" what displays to use, and you want to start accepting pre-orders in two weeks??? So you don't even have a prototype yet? This DOES seem a little strange to me.

[info]wtfunkymonkey

November 27 2006, 16:29:43 UTC 5 years ago

Re: Ready for Pre-Order?

It's very typical to start taking preorders in situations like this as it allows them to have a good estimate of the manufacturing run.
If a thousand people preorder then that would be bad news, and if they recieve fifty thousand then it would be a good indication that the product will be sucessful.

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[info]twiin

November 27 2006, 16:12:23 UTC 5 years ago

This is the decision that will kill your product.

Anonymous

November 28 2006, 09:00:19 UTC 5 years ago

i cant agree more

getting ride of the oled and now ging to b/w
wow..... that is the desision that will bury this product

sorry to say but dont be a sell out
people want the original

i would gladly pay 3-400 dollars for a full size oled COLOR Keyboard
.....

en0tlaid@hotmail.com

Anonymous

November 27 2006, 16:19:02 UTC 5 years ago

Best thing about OM3 is the color!

I have the Optimus Mini 3 (http://www.joetek.com/20060913/optimus-mini-arrives), and the best thing about it is the color! I can use it to display status of my applications, show bar graphs, and change red if there is something that needs my attention!

Don't lose the color!

[info]cgvictor

November 27 2006, 16:20:27 UTC 5 years ago

A killer feature.
It can exactly kill the project, in my opinion.

And what about backlit? White, smth like tech-blue, dual-color, anything more?
* BW keys look like a crap (http://community.livejournal.com/optimus_project/11850.html?thread=353866#t353866).

[info]flyryan

November 27 2006, 16:50:02 UTC 5 years ago

The next announcement will be that the keys are gonna have slots for paper you slide in and you just draw what you want on it (eraser sold separately) but due to funding restraints.... there wont' be a backlight.

Anonymous

November 28 2006, 02:58:45 UTC 5 years ago

LOL

Classic!

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[info]kineticturtle

November 27 2006, 17:05:38 UTC 5 years ago

Just another user who won't buy the product as it is now. Waiting for color, 113+. Black and white screens on the keys aren't a big enough step from a normal keyboard to make it worth my while, particularly considering that my laptop does in fact have a keyboard built into it...

I'm also discouraged by the software end of the whole thing; I bought the OM3, and there was no Mac driver with it. Months later, I get the alpha version which at first doesn't install, and now that it installs, it still can't keep track of the OM3 for more than a couple minutes. I know somewhere it said that the optimus would come with a mac driver from the beginning, but since you don't even have screens chosen yet... I guess I'm losing faith.

Anonymous

November 27 2006, 19:33:05 UTC 5 years ago

OM3 Mac driver

Where did you get an alpha version of a Mac driver for the Mini Three? I have been searching for months!

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Anonymous

November 27 2006, 17:07:35 UTC 5 years ago

You already lost my sale with the previous downgrade. This only confirms that fact.

I'm buying the keyboard that will have *colored* screens for *all* keys including the *extra* keys

Anonymous

November 27 2006, 17:09:24 UTC 5 years ago

i'm out

sure, i'm out. b&w? damn, it's stupid

[info]nr

November 27 2006, 17:16:21 UTC 5 years ago

hehe

most of you used FSTN display for years in old Palms and cell phones.

And now its not good enough? Ha!

[info]lionet

November 27 2006, 18:08:16 UTC 5 years ago

We don't use FSTN anymore in our cell phones. Why should we go back and use it in a new device?

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Anonymous

November 27 2006, 17:25:10 UTC 5 years ago

I'm OUT!

Sorry, but my keyboard already is monocromatic, so I don't need to buy a new one just to look exactly the same as the one I have. Damn, more and more this looks like a vaporware.

Anonymous

November 27 2006, 23:26:03 UTC 5 years ago

Re: I'm OUT!

i agree, if it was color it'd be worth something but no color? no buy
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